Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

On Apr 18, 2018, Alan Baker wrote
(in article ):

On 2018-04-18 6:21 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:36:51 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

So post all these files, and let's see if there's anything you've said
that ISN'T bull****.

The initial files had been posted for quite some time in the OP of
Can the latest Mac Adobe Illustrator read in Windows Adobe Illustrator CS2
"ai-format" files?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.apps/xiJFl-xbD1o

The latest batch was updated where this is the most recent post:
Here are the updated files from Adobe Illustrator in CS2 on Windows.

0. With the Roadgeek 2005 Series B font set already installed into the
system font directory on windows...
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/333rxp7d/file.html

OK. Got it, installed it, validated it.


1. Starting with signs.pptx from MS Office 2007 on Windows which has the
entire font set embedded but which only uses "Roadgeek 2005 Series B"
fonts.
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/EqdGVdCQ/file.html

2. I saved that as PDF using the official Microsoft Office Save-as-PDF
plugin, with embedded fonts saved into the PDF as signs.pdf.
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Zf65nNnd/file.html

3. I opened that PDF with Adobe Illustrator 12.0 from CS2 on Windows, which
popped up a form saying:
- Illustrator PDF: Warnings
- The document contains PDF objects that have been reinterpreted:
- The font Roadgeek#202005#20Series#20B is missing. (sic)
- Affected text will be displayed using a substitute font. (sic)
- I substituted the RoadGeek font

So you substitute one RoadGeek font for another, or did PowerPoint ****
up the embedding?


4. I then selected all with control a, and then pressed
AI: Type Font (I selected "Roadgeek 2005 Series B"
using the dumbest GUI there could possibly be for a font selection,
which is to endlessly scroll, manually, since typing "R" doesn't
work and AI is too stupid to have a scroll bar - but no big deal,
eventually it scrolled to the Roadgeek 2005 Series B font to then
save as "signs_with_font_substituted.ai".

OK. I did it with the find/change dialog that came up in AI CC 2018. Not
my problem if you use bad software. Also not a Mac problem.

But I did it, and I noted that some of the text in the file was already
converted to paths before it was imported. All this

"CURB ‘UR" (where you used the wrong character for the apostrophe).
"PUPPY"

...was already converted to paths.

So how did that happen? Magic?

Your story starts to fall apart.

https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Dm3XIJJm/file.html

And that file too shows the "magical" text which converted itself to
paths...

5. I then pressed control+a and then control+shift+o to create outlines
and saved that ai file as "signs_with_outlines.ai"
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/JGit6LU6/file.html

Where you stupidly added a stroke to the type you converted to totally
**** up the letter forms...


6 And then I chose EPS to save as "signs_with_outlines.eps"
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Vj43bvg2/file.html

7. And then I saved as SVG as "signs_with_outlines.svg".
https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/KMSPgaup/file.html

When the #4 signs_with_outlines.ai is read into a current Mac Adobe AI at
the printers, the outlines are all screwed up.

Looks like operator error to me.

I believe that you have just brought this tedious thread to a screeching
halt.

Good work.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

[snip massive not-just-non-bedtime-reading quote]

Looks like operator error to me.

I believe that you have just brought this tedious thread to a screeching
halt.


A slight - ok, very slight perhaps - contradiction!

--
dorayme

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 4/18/2018 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

I've worked in Illustrator since version 1.

So post all these files, and let's see if there's anything you've said
that ISN'T bull****.

As another who has worked with Illustrator since version 1, I've told
him much the same thing for weeks in the Windows10 version of this
thread. His problem is a complete lack of knowledge of the graphic arts,
and I've suggested a number of times that he hire a professional, but he
has not replied to ANY of those posts.

--
best regards,

Neil

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

In article , Neil
wrote:


I've worked in Illustrator since version 1.

So post all these files, and let's see if there's anything you've said
that ISN'T bull****.

As another who has worked with Illustrator since version 1, I've told
him much the same thing for weeks in the Windows10 version of this
thread. His problem is a complete lack of knowledge of the graphic arts,
and I've suggested a number of times that he hire a professional, but he
has not replied to ANY of those posts.

his lack of knowledge is not limited to just graphic arts.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 11:17:56 -0400, schrieb nospam:

his lack of knowledge is not limited to just graphic arts.

What is fact about you nospam, is that you are consistent in that:
a. *You have provided absolutely zero technical knowledge in this thread*
b. And yet, *you incessantly post purposefully unhelpful drivel*

All you Apple Apologists act exactly alike, including you Jolly Roger,
Lewis, Tim Streater, nospam, Savageduck, BK@OnRamp and yes, even dorayme.

I know very little about this process, but you all clearly have shown zero
technical expertise in this thread, and in almost all threads.

That's a fact.

*Hence all you can do is troll incessantly your fifth-grade drivel.*

Moving on, I just found the original email (I had to dig into my downloaded
zipped archives as Gmail locked me out at 15.250 Gigabytes):
What's a good way to back up Gmail when you've reached the size limit?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/6YHdHFcpGxs/OKSojSbLAgAJ

For those who are technically competent, here is the email we sent out.
If you have technically competent improvements to suggest, it would be
helpful for the tribal knowledge of this group for you to add value.
http://tinyurl.com/rec-photo-digital
http://tinyurl.com/
http://tinyurl.com/

BEGIN TECHNICAL MESSAGE OF PROCESS, TOOLS, & PROCEDURES FOR 27 HOUSEHOLDS:
(we originally had one street of 20, but another street of 7 wanted in).

***** ***** ***** ***** *****
Letter to 20 neighbors ... 7 more on another street added later
***** ***** ***** ***** *****

Hi Neighbors,

This document has the entire font set embedded on Windows for:
Roadgeek Series B Regular

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

If you are on Windows, it will work perfectly right out of the box.
If you're on the Mac, call us as embedded fonts on the Mac don't work.

You are to modify the template as you please, bearing in mind:
a. Each sign will be a single color of your choosing
b. There's no need to draw graphics, but if you want to, have fun.
c. Most (if not all) will just change the sample text we provided.
d. Do not tamper with the outside border - it must remain consistent.
e. Do not tamper with the bottom line - it's a legal town/ordinance line.
f. Everything else is fair game ... top line is the road or address.
g. Say whatever you want in all the text other than top & bottom.
h. The drill holes are already accounted for in the text location.
i. The size of the signs (12"x18") is already accounted for.
j. The characters of the main message must be 2 inches for legal reasons.

When you're done, just email the one-page file & we will send all 27
signs to the printers that we've already chosen to print each sign.
http://store.hallsigns.com/Alodized-Aluminum_c_255.html

We chose aluminum sign blanks:
https://www.bestblanks.com/signsubstrates.html

We chose 40 mil thickness (aka 0.040 Gauge):
http://www.themedsupplyguide.com/tra...gns/thickness/

There are three sign materials we could have chosen from:
1. 3M Engineer Grade Reflective Signs.
2. 3M High Intensity Grade Reflective Signs.
3. 3M Diamond Grade Reflective Signs.
https://www.roadtrafficsigns.com/ref...-traffic-signs

We chose "engineer grade" reflection for cost/performance reasons.
http://www.trafficsign.us/signsheet.html

All signs will be mounted on 12-foot posts with one-way tamper-proof
security bolts (truss head, stainless steel, rubber washer, 1/2 inch long,
3/8" diameter, 16TPI).
http://www.losspreventionfasteners.c...ecurity-bolts/

Please do not get fancy with the font.
If you're on Windows, just use the embedded true-type Roadgeek fonts.
If you're on the Mac, call us as you will need to do more work.

Road sign fonts are tested under real-world conditions for specific things
such as halation, night-time and speed legibility (especially when tight
interstices are involved), cutout-integrity, removal of tiny notches in
joints of the letterforms, negative spacing compactness (affecting
legibility of signs in negative-contrast color orientations), common
symbols, etc., all resulting in an increase in accuracy, viewing distance,
and reaction time.

The long-standing official USA roadsign font is "FHWA Series Gothic".
But "FHWA Series Gothic" isn't commercially available.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic

A recently used (but then deprecated) US road sign font was "Clearview":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)

A common USA Gothic-look-alike freely distributable font is "Roadgeek":
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

In the UK, the commonly used road sign font is named "Transport":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_(typeface)

Germany (& parts of Continental Europe) uses the "DIN 1451" font:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_1451

Macs ship native with that actual DIN1451 font, simply named "DIN":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...uded_with_OS_X

Windows 10 now ships with a DIN-look-alike font named "Bahnschrift":
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...uild-16273-pc/

Whether you're on a Mac or Windows, DO NOT USE those non-USA fonts!
Long ago we agreed on compatibility & consistency with USA standards.

Windows MS Office can embed the entire font set which works for Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Mac MS Office can not embed fonts & also can not read embedded fonts.
http://www.jklstudios.com/misc/osxfonts.html

The Mac also has an issue seeing the DIN font:
Sierra https://support.apple.com/HT206872
Mavericks: https://support.apple.com/HT201375

Highway Gothic look-alike fonts are available at cost he
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/pixymbols/highway-gothic/

Highway Gothic look-alike fonts seem to be available for free he
http://www.dafont.com/highway-gothic.font

The beautifullly named "Clearview" font, is only available at cost:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)

The lousily named Roadgeek font is freely available in many places:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

The only caveat with Roadgeek is that when we distribute the font,
we need to keep the copyright notice intact (included below).

***********************
Roadgeek copyright
***********************
License for use of Roadgeek Fonts

These fonts are free for recreational, hobby, and educational
purposes. You may redistribute these fonts provided the copyright
information remains intact and this license accompanies them.

License is also granted for use of these fonts on commercial websites
or for redistribution from commercial websites, provided no fee is
charged for the use of or access to these fonts, that the copyright
information remains intact, and this license accompanies the fonts.

You are NOT permitted to seek payment for access to these fonts.

You are NOT permitted to use these fonts for commercial purposes other
than for the use in displaying graphics or text on the web. If you
need official fonts for offline, commercial purposes (including, but
not limited to, the actual creation of highway signage), please
contact professional vendors for official fonts.

The creator of these fonts assumes no liability for accidents or
losses caused by the use of these fonts. Although an attempt has made
to replicate official highway sign fonts in the creation of these
fonts, no claim is made about these fonts actually satisfying any
particular specification. Use these fonts at your own risk. Do not
spindle fold or mutilate. Do not taunt happy fun ball.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 2018-04-19 10:32 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 11:17:56 -0400, schrieb nospam:

his lack of knowledge is not limited to just graphic arts.

What is fact about you nospam, is that you are consistent in that:
a. *You have provided absolutely zero technical knowledge in this thread*
b. And yet, *you incessantly post purposefully unhelpful drivel*

All you Apple Apologists act exactly alike, including you Jolly Roger,
Lewis, Tim Streater, nospam, Savageduck, BK@OnRamp and yes, even dorayme.

I know very little about this process, but you all clearly have shown zero
technical expertise in this thread, and in almost all threads.

You claim:

'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.'

....but you know very little about the very process for which it is most
used?

Yeah... ...there's some bull**** in there.


That's a fact.

The fact is that your story doesn't add up.

Why were there fonts that were already converted to paths in your first PDF?

Why does someone with "over 30 years" experience using Illustrator not
understand that you don't add a stroke to the paths of text that's been
converted because it ****s up the letter shapes.

You're full of ****, twit.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 2018-04-18 6:30 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:39:26 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

BTW, while it's a fact that the Mac Adobe Illustrator screwed up,

That is not a fact.

This is the technical gist of what Neil said, just now, on the Windows
newsgroup...
........

It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your
business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me.

Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good
understanding of vector graphics programs.

I've used the AI program for over 30 years.


What Windows group is that supposed to be?

What date and time was that message supposedly posted?

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:18:02 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

You claimed:

'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.'

If you didn't mean to imply expertise, why did you even say that?

Hi Alan,
I realize you don't comprehend much, so all I will say is that *nobody* on
this planet has ever heard me say or seen me type what you so brazenly just
fabricated out of thin air that you imagine that I said.

Even the Apple Appologists (nospam, Jolly Roger, Savageduck, BK@OnRamp,
Lewis, etc.) haven't fabricated that completely imaginary accusation yet.

Why do Apple Apologists incessantly come up with brazen fabrications?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K_yBNZiPFYo/2yfSU1BOAwAJ
eek font I used is "Roadgeek 2005 Series B Regular".

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I wonder if that tendency to imagine functionality is why you gravitate to
supremely marketed Apple products?

Your entire belief system appears to rest on a foundation of fabrications.

If you are on Windows, it will work perfectly right out of the box.
If you're on the Mac, call us as embedded fonts on the Mac don't work.

Incorrect. You can't do the embedding on the Mac version, but they'll
work just fine.

The statement is correct but I do appreciate that you are attempting to
help with technical facts, since technical facts are what this thread is
about.

You're just wrong in that the file will NOT work on the Mac. Period.
It will work on Windows perfectly well.

That's a fact.
Luckily, it turned out that of the original 20 neighbors, nobody was on the
Mac, where I don't know the status of the 7 who joined in from another road
once they saw the beautifully organized signs put up.

Something which you could easily have discovered...

The whole point was to use the standard USA fonts in all the signs.
We didn't know there were so few Mac users in the real world when we
started, but if we used a Mac or Windows font, we would have had problems.

Unfortunately, the printer is on the Mac, so, even if nobody uses the Mac
in the real world in our Silicon Valley neighborhood, the printers still do
(but as we've seen, the Mac-based printers aren't all that technically
competent).

Windows MS Office can embed the entire font set which works for Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Correct.

Yup.

Incorrect. That article literally says nothing at all about whether you
can embed fonts into documents using the Mac Microsoft Office apps.

It's a fact that the Mac just can't do it.

Luckily, nobody seems to be using the Mac in the real world of our Silicon
Valley upscale neighborhood, so, it doesn't matter that the Mac has far
less functionality than does Windows in this regard.



The Mac also has an issue seeing the DIN font:
Sierra https://support.apple.com/HT206872
Mavericks: https://support.apple.com/HT201375

Incorrect. No longer being included is not having "an issue".

Fair enough. Thanks. We can correct the *next* announcement, if another
road wants to join in on our community-based efforts.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 2018-04-19 10:46 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:18:02 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

You claimed:

'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.'

If you didn't mean to imply expertise, why did you even say that?

Hi Alan,
I realize you don't comprehend much, so all I will say is that *nobody* on
this planet has ever heard me say or seen me type what you so brazenly just
fabricated out of thin air that you imagine that I said.

I've seen you type it:




Even the Apple Appologists (nospam, Jolly Roger, Savageduck, BK@OnRamp,
Lewis, etc.) haven't fabricated that completely imaginary accusation yet.

Why do Apple Apologists incessantly come up with brazen fabrications?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K_yBNZiPFYo/2yfSU1BOAwAJ

What is a random posting from an iPhone newsgroup supposed to prove here?

eek font I used is "Roadgeek 2005 Series B Regular".

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office.

And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel.


I wonder if that tendency to imagine functionality is why you gravitate to
supremely marketed Apple products?

What functionality am I supposed to have "imagined"?


Your entire belief system appears to rest on a foundation of fabrications.

If you are on Windows, it will work perfectly right out of the box.
If you're on the Mac, call us as embedded fonts on the Mac don't work.

Incorrect. You can't do the embedding on the Mac version, but they'll
work just fine.

The statement is correct but I do appreciate that you are attempting to
help with technical facts, since technical facts are what this thread is
about.

Yet you have no compunction about stating as a fact that which is not
true...


You're just wrong in that the file will NOT work on the Mac. Period.

I've had it open on my Mac in PowerPoint...

....and it works perfectly.

It will work on Windows perfectly well.

That's a fact.

Would that be like the fact that "embedded fonts on the Mac don't work"?

Luckily, it turned out that of the original 20 neighbors, nobody was on the
Mac, where I don't know the status of the 7 who joined in from another road
once they saw the beautifully organized signs put up.

Something which you could easily have discovered...

The whole point was to use the standard USA fonts in all the signs.

Why? What would it matter which font was used on a sign?

We didn't know there were so few Mac users in the real world when we
started, but if we used a Mac or Windows font, we would have had problems.

No. You wouldn't have.


Unfortunately, the printer is on the Mac, so, even if nobody uses the Mac
in the real world in our Silicon Valley neighborhood, the printers still do
(but as we've seen, the Mac-based printers aren't all that technically
competent).

Riiiiiiiiight. The people who do this for a living and depend on their
technology working well aren't competent...

....but you are.

LOL!


Windows MS Office can embed the entire font set which works for Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Correct.

Yup.

Incorrect. That article literally says nothing at all about whether you
can embed fonts into documents using the Mac Microsoft Office apps.

It's a fact that the Mac just can't do it.

It's a fact that the article you posted to support your claim does
nothing of the kind.


Luckily, nobody seems to be using the Mac in the real world of our Silicon
Valley upscale neighborhood, so, it doesn't matter that the Mac has far
less functionality than does Windows in this regard.

Sorry, but that's just not so, twit.




The Mac also has an issue seeing the DIN font:
Sierra https://support.apple.com/HT206872
Mavericks: https://support.apple.com/HT201375

Incorrect. No longer being included is not having "an issue".

Fair enough. Thanks. We can correct the *next* announcement, if another
road wants to join in on our community-based efforts.

Try again.

You LIED.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

In article , Ragnusen Ultred
wrote:



It's a fact that the Mac just can't do it.

nope.

it's a fact that *you* can't do it.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

In article , Alan Baker
wrote:


This is the technical gist of what Neil said, just now, on the Windows
newsgroup...
........

It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your
business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me.

Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good
understanding of vector graphics programs.

I've used the AI program for over 30 years.


What Windows group is that supposed to be?

alt.comp.os.windows-10

What date and time was that message supposedly posted?

the same time frame as this thread.

he likes to post the same garbage in different groups at the same time,
then compare the 'adult' answers with those from 'children'.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said:

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office.

And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel.

PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like
in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than
Word's awful "layout" capabilities.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 4/19/2018 1:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2018-04-19 10:04 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[...]
Note that we never once claimed to be experts, so, you, nospam,
Savageduck,
Jolly Roger, and most of all Alan Baker can feel haughty that you know
far
more than we ever will - which we never would disagree with.

You claimed:

'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.'

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

--
best regards,

Neil

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In article , Your Name
wrote:

PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like
in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than
Word's awful "layout" capabilities.

not by anyone with a clue, it isn't.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
 

On 2018-04-19 2:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said:

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office.

And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel.

PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like
in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than
Word's awful "layout" capabilities.

I know that is sometimes done...


....and certainly Word IS awful at it...

....but most people—the vast majority—still don't use PowerPoint even if
they do have Office installed.

'Sof****ch also looked more deeply at how people were using each
application by dividing users into four categories; heavy users, light
editors, viewers (i.e. people who looked at documents but did nothing
else) and inactive users who didn’t use the program at all.

Here the results were even more stark, with 29 percent of users either
never using Excel/Word or only using it to view documents; for
PowerPoint the percentage was an astonishing 70 percent. For Word, a
further 62 percent were classed as light users, while another 53 percent
of Excel users fell into this category.

As to PowerPoint, it was easier in the end to say who was using it than
who wasn’t - only about one in twenty could described as heavy users
even when applying a low threshold of what defined this type of usage.'

https://www.techworld.com/news/security/microsoft-office-applications-barely-used-by-many-employees-new-study-shows-3514565/

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On 2018-04-19 2:32 PM, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2018 1:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2018-04-19 10:04 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[...]
Note that we never once claimed to be experts, so, you, nospam,
Savageduck,
Jolly Roger, and most of all Alan Baker can feel haughty that you
know far
more than we ever will - which we never would disagree with.

You claimed:

'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.'

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.


Ah. Then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
 

Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group.

Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic
arts.

That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary
arts college.

You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all
we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake.

You make things extremely complex Neil.

Not everyone needs to hire a professional spaghetti boiler or to go to
culinary arts school just to boil spaghetti.

There is a LOT to know about the field beyond the particular tools
used, which change from time to time but retain their underlying
objectives (Illustrator was preceded by other vector graphics programs,
but they worked similarly with the same purpose). The real problem here
is that some people think that they can do things that they know
absolutely nothing about and still get good results.

It's a sign for heaven's sake Neil.
A sign.

We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign.

We don't need to train 27 people to learn how to use graphic software just
to change text (it was 20, but another road of 7 people wanted the same
signs, which is the batch we're doing now).

Just because something is free does not make it good (more likely, it
guarantees limitations).

Neil.
You seem to have a bug up your butt that only a professional spaghetti
boiler can boil spaghetti.

Nobody is saying that a professional can't do any job better, but you don't
need to go to culinary school and buy special spaghetti boiling equipment
just to boil spaghetti.

You just don't.

Point in fact, the RoadGeek font is *perfect* for this application.
PowerPoint is *perfect* for this application, especially as it seems to be
the case that none of the 27 households doesn't already have it, and,
luckily for us, none are on the Mac (which makes things easier since the
PowerPoint won't work as well on the Mac as it does on Windows due to the
well-known font embedding lack-of-functionality issues on the Mac).

Any professional in the graphic arts would roll
their eyes at a clueless TrueType font user, and it has nothing at all
to do with platform or applications, it's about understanding fonts.

Neil,
It's you who appears to be clueless.

You seem to think that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil
spaghetti.

For you to suggest to hire a professional just to change some text is an
indication that you don't comprehend the simplest of problem sets and
solutions.

This is not rocket science Neil.
It's a single page powerpoint file that we're printing.

The flaws are on the Mac and Adobe (neither can handle fonts that are
embedded) and even AI is screwing up on AI file, but there's nothing wrong
with the process up to the point that it gets onto the Mac at the printer's
shop.

It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise.

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On 2018-04-19 3:41 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

Like the "truth" that the Mac version of PowerPoint would fail on a
document with embedded fonts?


I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group.

Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic
arts.

That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary
arts college.

You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all
we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake.

Yet screwing it up badly.


You make things extremely complex Neil.

Not everyone needs to hire a professional spaghetti boiler or to go to
culinary arts school just to boil spaghetti.

There is a LOT to know about the field beyond the particular tools
used, which change from time to time but retain their underlying
objectives (Illustrator was preceded by other vector graphics programs,
but they worked similarly with the same purpose). The real problem here
is that some people think that they can do things that they know
absolutely nothing about and still get good results.

It's a sign for heaven's sake Neil.
A sign.

We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign.

You DO need vector graphics, twit.


We don't need to train 27 people to learn how to use graphic software just
to change text (it was 20, but another road of 7 people wanted the same
signs, which is the batch we're doing now).

Just because something is free does not make it good (more likely, it
guarantees limitations).

Neil.
You seem to have a bug up your butt that only a professional spaghetti
boiler can boil spaghetti.

Nobody is saying that a professional can't do any job better, but you don't
need to go to culinary school and buy special spaghetti boiling equipment
just to boil spaghetti.

You just don't.

Point in fact, the RoadGeek font is *perfect* for this application.
PowerPoint is *perfect* for this application, especially as it seems to be
the case that none of the 27 households doesn't already have it, and,
luckily for us, none are on the Mac (which makes things easier since the
PowerPoint won't work as well on the Mac as it does on Windows due to the
well-known font embedding lack-of-functionality issues on the Mac).

Which is a non-difference if you can distribute the font to all those
same people...


Any professional in the graphic arts would roll
their eyes at a clueless TrueType font user, and it has nothing at all
to do with platform or applications, it's about understanding fonts.

Neil,
It's you who appears to be clueless.

You seem to think that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil
spaghetti.

For you to suggest to hire a professional just to change some text is an
indication that you don't comprehend the simplest of problem sets and
solutions.

This is not rocket science Neil.
It's a single page powerpoint file that we're printing.

The flaws are on the Mac and Adobe (neither can handle fonts that are
embedded) and even AI is screwing up on AI file, but there's nothing wrong
with the process up to the point that it gets onto the Mac at the printer's
shop.

There is nothing about the Mac that can't handle fonts embedded in
documents, twit.

And if there is a problem with the file you give it, that's hardly
Illustrators problem.


It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise.

No.

It's only when YOU touched the files that there was a problem.

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On 2018-04-19, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said:

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office.

And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel.

PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app

Only by neophytes.

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Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:48:38 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

Like the "truth" that the Mac version of PowerPoint would fail on a
document with embedded fonts?

Alan,
You seem to be exactly like *nospam* playing your silly semantic games.
What is it about Apple Apologists that they can't admit simple facts?

Everyone knows that the Windows version of MS Office embeds fonts such that
*everyone* who touches the document has full access to the fonts, simply by
virtue of having the document.

That's a fact.
That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

Likewise, everyone knows that the Mac version of MS Office just doesn't
respect the fonts that are embedded in that very same document. This is
common knowledge.

That you Apple Apologists have this strange propensity to hate facts that
everyone already knows about, is one thing ...

But then for you to play the same silly semantic games trying to dance
around that fact just proves that you Apple Apologists are all the same.

You Apple Apologists have zero technical expertise.
All you can do is punch buttons.

So all you *can* do is play your silly semantic games.

You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all
we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake.

Yet screwing it up badly.

All the Windows files work fine until they touch the Mac.
That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign.

You DO need vector graphics, twit.

With a vinyl printer? For a 12x24-inch sign.

*Are you nuts?*
Or just stupid?

I've been gracious by alotting you a fifth-grade mentality.

Your vocabulary proves you haven't matured past about third grade.

Which is a non-difference if you can distribute the font to all those
same people...

All you Apple Apologists do is dance around the fact that the Mac MS Office
is basically non functional when compared to the Windows MS Office in the
simple functional task of respecting embedded fonts.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

There is nothing about the Mac that can't handle fonts embedded in
documents, twit.

Your third-grade mentality is showing again when you complain about a fact
that everyone already knows about, which is that the Mac MS Office lacks
the functionality of the Windows MS Office.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

And if there is a problem with the file you give it, that's hardly
Illustrators problem.

There's nothing wrong with the file we created on Windows.
It's only when that file touches the Mac that problems arise.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

It's only when YOU touched the files that there was a problem.

The files work great on Windows.
It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

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On 2018-04-19 21:41:21 +0000, Alan Baker said:
On 2018-04-19 2:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said:

As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use.

Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it.

Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know.

I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office.

And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel.

PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like
in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than
Word's awful "layout" capabilities.

I know that is sometimes done...


...and certainly Word IS awful at it...

...but most people-the vast majority-still don't use PowerPoint even if
they do have Office installed.

'Sof****ch also looked more deeply at how people were using each
application by dividing users into four categories; heavy users, light
editors, viewers (i.e. people who looked at documents but did nothing
else) and inactive users who didn't use the program at all.

Here the results were even more stark, with 29 percent of users either
never using Excel/Word or only using it to view documents; for
PowerPoint the percentage was an astonishing 70 percent. For Word, a
further 62 percent were classed as light users, while another 53
percent of Excel users fell into this category.

As to PowerPoint, it was easier in the end to say who was using it than
who wasn't - only about one in twenty could described as heavy users
even when applying a low threshold of what defined this type of usage.'

https://www.techworld.com/news/security/microsoft-office-applications-barely-used-by-many-employees-new-study-shows-3514565/


It does have to be remembered that PowerPoint is designed to make
presentations (as well as used for in-house DTP), so in reality is a
niche market. Few people want or need to do presentations, but far more
will want to type up a letter or whatever in Word.

Excel, although designed as a spreadsheet for manipulating numbers, is
also used by a lot of people as a simple database, especially for doing
mail merges and labels via Word.

Every time I update MS Office, it insists on putting back OneNote and
Outlook, which I then have to delete because I don't use them and don't
want them. Those two apps probably have even lower usage numbers on the
Mac.

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On 2018-04-19 5:32 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:48:38 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

Like the "truth" that the Mac version of PowerPoint would fail on a
document with embedded fonts?

Alan,
You seem to be exactly like *nospam* playing your silly semantic games.
What is it about Apple Apologists that they can't admit simple facts?

Everyone knows that the Windows version of MS Office embeds fonts such that
*everyone* who touches the document has full access to the fonts, simply by
virtue of having the document.

That's a fact.
That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

Likewise, everyone knows that the Mac version of MS Office just doesn't
respect the fonts that are embedded in that very same document. This is
common knowledge.

That you Apple Apologists have this strange propensity to hate facts that
everyone already knows about, is one thing ...

But then for you to play the same silly semantic games trying to dance
around that fact just proves that you Apple Apologists are all the same.

You Apple Apologists have zero technical expertise.
All you can do is punch buttons.

So all you *can* do is play your silly semantic games.

You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all
we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake.

Yet screwing it up badly.

All the Windows files work fine until they touch the Mac.
That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign.

You DO need vector graphics, twit.

With a vinyl printer? For a 12x24-inch sign.

*Are you nuts?*
Or just stupid?

I've been gracious by alotting you a fifth-grade mentality.

Your vocabulary proves you haven't matured past about third grade.

Which is a non-difference if you can distribute the font to all those
same people...

All you Apple Apologists do is dance around the fact that the Mac MS Office
is basically non functional when compared to the Windows MS Office in the
simple functional task of respecting embedded fonts.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

What fact is there in this?

You declared the Mac version of PowerPoint couldn't handle documents
with fonts embedded.

That is wrong.


There is nothing about the Mac that can't handle fonts embedded in
documents, twit.

Your third-grade mentality is showing again when you complain about a fact
that everyone already knows about, which is that the Mac MS Office lacks
the functionality of the Windows MS Office.

Sorry, but must I post the link to the official Microsoft page about
this for you?


That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

And if there is a problem with the file you give it, that's hardly
Illustrators problem.

There's nothing wrong with the file we created on Windows.

So you say...

....but then you admit you actually don't know much about this stuff.

It's only when that file touches the Mac that problems arise.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

It's only when YOU touched the files that there was a problem.

The files work great on Windows.

So you say...

....but then you admit you actually don't know much about this stuff.

It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise.

That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact.

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On 2018-04-20 02:12:47 +0000, Alan Baker said:
snip

You declared the Mac version of PowerPoint couldn't handle documents
with fonts embedded.

That is wrong.

No, that is a correct fact. The Mac version of PowerPoint cannot embed
fonts and cannot read fonts embedded using the Windows version.

It's one of many differences between the various MS Office options
(Windows, Mac, iPad, Android, online). The most obvious difference is
of course no Mac versions of Access or Publisher.

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On 2018-04-19 11:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-20 02:12:47 +0000, Alan Baker said:
snip

You declared the Mac version of PowerPoint couldn't handle documents
with fonts embedded.

That is wrong.

No, that is a correct fact. The Mac version of PowerPoint cannot embed
fonts and cannot read fonts embedded using the Windows version.

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect.

While it cannot embed fonts, the Mac version of PowerPoint reads
embedded fonts just fine.

'PowerPoint 2016 for Mac correctly displays fonts that were embedded by
someone using a device running Windows, but it doesn't allow you to
embed fonts.'

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/can-you-embed-fonts-in-powerpoint-2016-for-mac-53046a60-0111-4ca4-bb58-26be3926a9d3


It's one of many differences between the various MS Office options
(Windows, Mac, iPad, Android, online). The most obvious difference is of
course no Mac versions of Access or Publisher.

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On 2018-04-20 06:47:18 +0000, Alan Baker said:

On 2018-04-19 11:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-20 02:12:47 +0000, Alan Baker said:
snip

You declared the Mac version of PowerPoint couldn't handle documents
with fonts embedded.

That is wrong.

No, that is a correct fact. The Mac version of PowerPoint cannot embed
fonts and cannot read fonts embedded using the Windows version.

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect.

While it cannot embed fonts, the Mac version of PowerPoint reads
embedded fonts just fine.

'PowerPoint 2016 for Mac correctly displays fonts that were embedded by
someone using a device running Windows, but it doesn't allow you to
embed fonts.'

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/can-you-embed-fonts-in-powerpoint-2016-for-mac-53046a60-0111-4ca4-bb58-26be3926a9d3


Well, I'd trust what Microsloth says about as far as I can spit them. :-\
According to many other places, it doesn't work. A couple of examples:

"Natively, the Mac PowerPoint will not embed fonts into presentation files.
Nor will it display fonts that were embedded using PowerPoint for Windows."
- Quora.com (22 Nov 2016)
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-embed-...t-2016-for-Mac


"Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity and a real
impediment to cross-platform compatibility."
- PPTFAQ.com (30 Nov 2016)
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm


There are places that say it does work for *some* types of fonts, but
not others, and you get no indication about which will or won't work.

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On 2018-04-20, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2018-04-19 11:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-20 02:12:47 +0000, Alan Baker said:
snip

You declared the Mac version of PowerPoint couldn't handle documents
with fonts embedded.

That is wrong.

No, that is a correct fact. The Mac version of PowerPoint cannot embed
fonts and cannot read fonts embedded using the Windows version.

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect.

While it cannot embed fonts, the Mac version of PowerPoint reads
embedded fonts just fine.

'PowerPoint 2016 for Mac correctly displays fonts that were embedded by
someone using a device running Windows, but it doesn't allow you to
embed fonts.'

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/can-you-embed-fonts-in-powerpoint-2016-for-mac-53046a60-0111-4ca4-bb58-26be3926a9d3


The forum link on that page also says full support is coming in a future
update to Powerpoint for macOS. And if you're really impatient, there's
another program that will let you embed fonts in Powerpoint
presentations on macOS today:

https://www.presentationfontembedder.com

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On 4/19/2018 6:41 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

bad snips which distort the meaning, reference or context are lies.

I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group.

Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic
arts.

That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary
arts college.

As I responded to you in the Windows group, you are completely clueless
about the field, which is the root of your problem. The difference
between us is that people have paid me well to accomplish what you're
unable to do. So, you can continue to insult those who know the graphic
arts with your ignorant analogies and waste as much of your time
fumbling around with things you don't understand, because it affects
nothing at all on my end.

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On 2018-04-20, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2018 6:41 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

bad snips which distort the meaning, reference or context are lies.

It's all he's got. Poor thing.

I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group.

Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic
arts.

That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary
arts college.

As I responded to you in the Windows group, you are completely clueless
about the field, which is the root of your problem. The difference
between us is that people have paid me well to accomplish what you're
unable to do. So, you can continue to insult those who know the graphic
arts with your ignorant analogies and waste as much of your time
fumbling around with things you don't understand, because it affects
nothing at all on my end.

As a former professional prepress composer and publisher (analog and
digital), I always find his posts about this topic quite humorous. He
has a really nasty habit of artificially puffing himself up while
belittling anyone who actually knows better than him on a given subject.
He also switches nyms and obscures headers like there's no tomorrow to
avoid kill filters. The regulars in the Apple news groups can tell you
that, base on his numerous threads where it is very clear he doesn't
know what he is talking about. Get used to it. You will no doubt now be
labelled by him as some sort of dimwitted apologist until the end of
time. ; )

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On 4/20/2018 5:05 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2018-04-20, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2018 6:41 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:

That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine.

Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth.

bad snips which distort the meaning, reference or context are lies.

It's all he's got. Poor thing.

I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group.

Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic
arts.

That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary
arts college.

As I responded to you in the Windows group, you are completely clueless
about the field, which is the root of your problem. The difference
between us is that people have paid me well to accomplish what you're
unable to do. So, you can continue to insult those who know the graphic
arts with your ignorant analogies and waste as much of your time
fumbling around with things you don't understand, because it affects
nothing at all on my end.

As a former professional prepress composer and publisher (analog and
digital), I always find his posts about this topic quite humorous. He
has a really nasty habit of artificially puffing himself up while
belittling anyone who actually knows better than him on a given subject.
He also switches nyms and obscures headers like there's no tomorrow to
avoid kill filters. The regulars in the Apple news groups can tell you
that, base on his numerous threads where it is very clear he doesn't
know what he is talking about. Get used to it. You will no doubt now be
labelled by him as some sort of dimwitted apologist until the end of
time. ; )

I think you're right... he's on the edge of tossing such labels at me
now. BTW, I worked my way through engineering school in my father's
prepress shop in the '60s, where I handled the darkroom activities
including process camera (my first experience with a 24" camera with
Zeiss lenses), screens, masks, etc. In the '70s I kept his digital
typography machines running, so by the '80s I understood what graphic
arts applications like Illustrator and Photoshop (actually, there were
several apps years before Adobe existed) were trying to emulate and
replace. But, the really important knowledge has nothing to do with
hardware or software; it's the principles of layout, typography, etc.,
which, even for simple signs is valuable.

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On 2018-04-21, Neil wrote:

BTW, I worked my way through engineering school in my father's
prepress shop in the '60s, where I handled the darkroom activities
including process camera (my first experience with a 24" camera with
Zeiss lenses), screens, masks, etc. In the '70s I kept his digital
typography machines running, so by the '80s I understood what graphic
arts applications like Illustrator and Photoshop (actually, there were
several apps years before Adobe existed) were trying to emulate and
replace. But, the really important knowledge has nothing to do with
hardware or software; it's the principles of layout, typography, etc.,
which, even for simple signs is valuable.

Flashback to fond memories of those big, old, clunky cameras. I've taken
so many halftone and process shots I've lost count (multiple thousands).
At one point I took tens to hundreds daily. I naturally got to be pretty
good at it in short order. Darkroom work is fun work! : ) Like you (and
probably most of us who were professionals in the field back then, I
also got into digital prepress in the 80s. Linotype CRTronics
were...fun?, but when Quark, Photoshop, and Illustrator came along, the
real fun began. And you're absolutely right: things like knowing when
and how to trap things so the pressman isn't pulling his hair out, or
modifying files without causing fonts/etc to be converted into paths, is
the real art. Knowledge like that is lost on many people who claim to
know what they are doing. "Ragnusen's" dog poop road signs are a shining
example of that. ; )

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