"Raw" file issues?
 

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RichA trolls:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/raw-flaw.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Some day I will expand on this entry, by noting that "trolling"
behaviours are hardly limited to the Internet -- computer networks did
not magically allow people to suddenly make straw-man arguments.
Consider the classic example of a politician -- our polite name for
those who fabricate false arguments/statements as a professional
activity -- or even the media itself who regularly troll their audience
with prurient, irrelevant, or just plain false information.

On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:31:15 -0400, RichA wrote:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/raw-flaw.shtml

Chicken liken twaddle.

"Aggh! the sky is falling!"

http://www.ongoing-tales.com/SERIALS...icklicken.html

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RichA wrote:

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Let's all do our part!!

Cheers,
Alan

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activity -- or even the media itself who regularly troll their audience
with prurient, irrelevant, or just plain false information.

Don't be an ass. Given the indications that companies like Nikon would
like nothing better than to sell more s/w as aprt of their camera
solution (other OEM's too), everyone has everything to gain by a
standard for RAW images.


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Owamanga wrote:

On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:31:15 -0400, RichA wrote:


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Chicken liken twaddle.

Open RAW is best for everyone in the long term. There's no excuse for
any data in the image created by the camera you own to be obfuscated or
encrypted.


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Alan Browne wrote:

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activity -- or even the media itself who regularly troll their audience
with prurient, irrelevant, or just plain false information.

Don't be an ass. Given the indications that companies like Nikon would
like nothing better than to sell more s/w as aprt of their camera
solution (other OEM's too), everyone has everything to gain by a
standard for RAW images.

It is not in Nikon's interest to tell everyone their innovations in
(say) automatic white balance, or in Canon's interest to spill their
beans (say) fancy device physics for optimal bias estimation in
long exposure images.

Reichman, et al, say they don't want "trade secrets" revealed, but they
are woefully clueless in that their demands for documentation of these
files is exactly that.

If you don't like Nikon's or Canon's policies about any of this, you
are free to purchase the products of other companies. Right? Or is
someone forcing you to purchase Nikon's software?

Really, what exactly is the problem here? If anything, the very
existance of Dave Coffin's "dcraw" makes the ranting Reichmann, et al,
look very kookish, and rendering the entire "OpenRaw" issue moot: RAW
file formats are as open as can be, _despite_ the best efforts of
Nikon.

Alan Browne wrote:

Open RAW is best for everyone in the long term.

48V twisted pair POTS is a "standard" invented at the dawn of the
telephone era. There are many engineers who wish we could rip the
entire mess out of the ground, off the poles and start over again.
Offer praises to Allah or whoever that cell phones, VOIP and the rest
of it are doing the job indirectly.

Be very careful what you wish for.

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It is not in Nikon's interest to tell everyone their innovations in
(say) automatic white balance, or in Canon's interest to spill their
beans (say) fancy device physics for optimal bias estimation in
long exposure images.

No. They give away all the data to "qualified" software developers.
They are not protecting anything to a degree where it would remain a
secret for more that a week or so. That it can be cracked easilly by
writers of sw such as dcraw are testimony to the fact that it is pointless.

If you don't like Nikon's or Canon's policies about any of this, you
are free to purchase the products of other companies. Right? Or is
someone forcing you to purchase Nikon's software?

Yes, Nikon. For a person with 000's of dollars in Nikon glass, being
forced to purchase more beyond a camera is simple wallet gouging.

Really, what exactly is the problem here? If anything, the very
existance of Dave Coffin's "dcraw" makes the ranting Reichmann, et al,
look very kookish, and rendering the entire "OpenRaw" issue moot: RAW
file formats are as open as can be, _despite_ the best efforts of
Nikon.

The point is to stop these idiotic and pointless 'races' in the future.
When you buy a film camera, it works with the specified film. No
special to Nikon processes are required. Nikon are now requiring
special to type processes for their digital cameras.

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RichA wrote:
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I'll offer a more realistic, less dramatic scenario.

You shoot RAW as most do. Then you convert that RAW data - because
that's all it is at that time - to an image format. In the case of a
Canon the best choice is TIFF but there are others.

Now you have an editable "image" file with all the detail of the
original image in it and capable of being processed further in just
about any image editor know to man at this time.

Bloody sensationalist bull **** is all that comes out of that site.

Douglas