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Alfred Molon[_4_] February 3rd 19 11:45 AM

Bad sensor dust
 
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

The camera is a DSLR with an optical viewfinder and I#m
guessing that the images were not inspected during the
trip to Algeria, otherwise the photographer would have
noticed the dust on the sensor.

Actually, looking at the photos of previous trips (the
Namibia one of last summer for instance) the dust on the
sensor was already there, so it seems that the
photographer doesn't even know that the problem exists,
or simply doesn't care. or maybe likes that 'blobby'
look ;-)
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

Savageduck[_3_] February 3rd 19 01:15 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

The camera is a DSLR with an optical viewfinder and I#m
guessing that the images were not inspected during the
trip to Algeria, otherwise the photographer would have
noticed the dust on the sensor.

Given the camera, I suspect that the photographer is oblivious of the
potential dust problem with all ILCs, DSLR, or MILC. It is probably his
first DSLR.

Actually, looking at the photos of previous trips (the
Namibia one of last summer for instance) the dust on the
sensor was already there, so it seems that the
photographer doesn't even know that the problem exists,
or simply doesn't care. or maybe likes that 'blobby'
look ;-)


If he is that oblivious to the potential dust problem, it is inexcusable,
and he should stick to using a compact.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

Savageduck[_3_] February 3rd 19 01:20 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Savageduck wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

The camera is a DSLR with an optical viewfinder and I#m
guessing that the images were not inspected during the
trip to Algeria, otherwise the photographer would have
noticed the dust on the sensor.

Given the camera, I suspect that the photographer is oblivious of the
potential dust problem with all ILCs, DSLR, or MILC. It is probably his
first DSLR.

Actually, looking at the photos of previous trips (the
Namibia one of last summer for instance) the dust on the
sensor was already there, so it seems that the
photographer doesn't even know that the problem exists,
or simply doesn't care. or maybe likes that 'blobby'
look ;-)


If he is that oblivious to the potential dust problem, it is inexcusable,
and he should stick to using a compact.


Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

Carlos E.R. February 3rd 19 03:10 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 03/02/2019 14.20, Savageduck wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't). Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.

....


Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.


Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

nospam February 3rd 19 03:33 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...7705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).


it's never too late to learn. read the instructions or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


or maybe he doesn't care.

Savageduck[_3_] February 3rd 19 04:24 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 14.20, Savageduck wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't). Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


If he does not know how to go about cleaning the sensor on a DSLR, or MILC,
he, and anybody who owns one should invest in the basic tools, correct size
swabs, PEC pad, a Giottos Rocket, a bottle of Eclipse Fluid, and a
magnifier with some sort of illuminator.

Then make the effort to learn how to go about cleaning a sensor, even on
the road away from home. Especially if one is in an environment where dust
contamination is likely.

I had no idea about dust, and sensor cleaning until I got my first DSLR, a
Nikon D70. I learned very quickly.


Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.


Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

If they were important to him he should have taken care when producing
them. He could certainly have cleaned up the spots on the images with post
processing before publishing them in Flickr.

What camera do you shoot?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


--
Regards,
Savageduck

nospam February 3rd 19 04:41 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Savageduck
wrote:

I had no idea about dust, and sensor cleaning until I got my first DSLR, a
Nikon D70. I learned very quickly.


that was a dust magnet, along with other slrs of the day.

recent slrs are much better, often with a dust shaker.

Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.


Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

If they were important to him he should have taken care when producing
them. He could certainly have cleaned up the spots on the images with post
processing before publishing them in Flickr.

What camera do you shoot?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


yep

Savageduck[_3_] February 3rd 19 04:48 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
nospam wrote:
In article , Savageduck
wrote:

I had no idea about dust, and sensor cleaning until I got my first DSLR, a
Nikon D70. I learned very quickly.


that was a dust magnet, along with other slrs of the day.


Yup! I had no choice other than to learn how to clean sensors with that
D70. That or claim that the dust bunnies were some sort of artistic
expression.

recent slrs are much better, often with a dust shaker.

The owners of cameras with sensor dust removal systems still need to make
sure that it has been turned on.

Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.

Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

If they were important to him he should have taken care when producing
them. He could certainly have cleaned up the spots on the images with post
processing before publishing them in Flickr.

What camera do you shoot?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


yep




--
Regards,
Savageduck

nospam February 3rd 19 05:04 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Savageduck
wrote:

recent slrs are much better, often with a dust shaker.

The owners of cameras with sensor dust removal systems still need to make
sure that it has been turned on.


it normally defaults to on.

Savageduck[_3_] February 3rd 19 05:18 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
nospam wrote:
In article , Savageduck
wrote:

recent slrs are much better, often with a dust shaker.

The owners of cameras with sensor dust removal systems still need to make
sure that it has been turned on.


it normally defaults to on.


However, there are some idiots who think they are extending the battery
charge by turning off sensor dust removal. That is a false economy.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

nospam February 3rd 19 05:32 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Savageduck
wrote:

recent slrs are much better, often with a dust shaker.

The owners of cameras with sensor dust removal systems still need to make
sure that it has been turned on.


it normally defaults to on.


However, there are some idiots who think they are extending the battery
charge by turning off sensor dust removal. That is a false economy.


technically they are extending it, however, it's nothing that would
ever be noticed. taking a single photo will wipe out whatever savings,
but as you say, they're idiots.

dale February 3rd 19 08:04 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/


your link doesn't wrap ...


The blobs ...



--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 3rd 19 10:52 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:

Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/


your link doesn't wrap ...


wrapping makes no difference whatsoever.

the problem is a lacks of url delimiters and ****ty newsreader software.

Alfred Molon[_4_] February 3rd 19 10:52 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article ,
says...

On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/


your link doesn't wrap ...


Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

nospam February 3rd 19 10:55 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/


your link doesn't wrap ...


Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.


if you used url delimiters, it would still work.

nospam February 4th 19 03:07 AM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article ,
RichA wrote:


Just one more reason to love Olympus. Those problems are alien.


no camera is immune.

Carlos E.R. February 4th 19 01:59 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 03/02/2019 16.33, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...7705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).


it's never too late to learn. read the instructions


No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.

They run the service gratis if you go to certain sponsored events, but
they do them some three hours drive from here, and they warn that they
will do only a limited number, so no warranty of getting it done.

My idea is to go there once and see how they do it.

or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


or maybe he doesn't care.


You do not know that.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. February 4th 19 02:08 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 03/02/2019 17.24, Savageduck wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 14.20, Savageduck wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't). Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


If he does not know how to go about cleaning the sensor on a DSLR, or MILC,
he, and anybody who owns one should invest in the basic tools, correct size
swabs, PEC pad, a Giottos Rocket, a bottle of Eclipse Fluid, and a
magnifier with some sort of illuminator.


I don't have any of that, nor my friends. I don't even know what they are.


Then make the effort to learn how to go about cleaning a sensor, even on
the road away from home. Especially if one is in an environment where dust
contamination is likely.

I had no idea about dust, and sensor cleaning until I got my first DSLR, a
Nikon D70. I learned very quickly.


Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.


Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

If they were important to him he should have taken care when producing
them. He could certainly have cleaned up the spots on the images with post
processing before publishing them in Flickr.


I wouldn't know how.


What camera do you shoot?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


You can not correct focus on post.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Savageduck[_3_] February 4th 19 02:25 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 16.33, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...7705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).


it's never too late to learn. read the instructions


No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.

So they can over-charge you for what you can do at home.

Buy the cleaning tools, learn what to do, and save yourself a whole load of
cash.

http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com
https://photosol.com
https://www.micro-tools.com/collections/d-slr-kits-aps-c-sensors

They run the service gratis if you go to certain sponsored events, but
they do them some three hours drive from here, and they warn that they
will do only a limited number, so no warranty of getting it done.

My idea is to go there once and see how they do it.

They start by fondling your wallet.

or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


or maybe he doesn't care.


You do not know that.




--
Regards,
Savageduck

Savageduck[_3_] February 4th 19 02:33 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 17.24, Savageduck wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 14.20, Savageduck wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't). Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


If he does not know how to go about cleaning the sensor on a DSLR, or MILC,
he, and anybody who owns one should invest in the basic tools, correct size
swabs, PEC pad, a Giottos Rocket, a bottle of Eclipse Fluid, and a
magnifier with some sort of illuminator.


I don't have any of that, nor my friends. I don't even know what they are.

All it takes to find out what 'they are' is to search, and then buy. Amazon
should lead you right to those items. Then you will have more knowledge
than your friends.


Then make the effort to learn how to go about cleaning a sensor, even on
the road away from home. Especially if one is in an environment where dust
contamination is likely.

I had no idea about dust, and sensor cleaning until I got my first DSLR, a
Nikon D70. I learned very quickly.


Also, I believe the evidence that he is either oblivious to the problem, or
just doesn't care is demonstrated by his posting of all those contaminated
photographs to Flickr with no effort to fix anything.

Well, maybe the photos themselves are important (to him) and he can not
go back to repeat them. I have photos like that, with errors, but they
are important to me.

If they were important to him he should have taken care when producing
them. He could certainly have cleaned up the spots on the images with post
processing before publishing them in Flickr.


I wouldn't know how.


Are you reluctant to learn anything?

Cleaning up unwanted dust spots or other blemishes is a feature of most
photo editing software, even some of the free software.



What camera do you shoot?


....and which camera was it that you use?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


You can not correct focus on post.


That is a whole different problem.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

nospam February 4th 19 02:45 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...bum-7215770586
8008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer
should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand,
there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).


it's never too late to learn. read the instructions


No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.


what cleaning kit did you buy that did not include instructions??

a cleaning kit is *not* going to say take it to the shop. there would
be no point in the kit.

you're really stretching on this one.

They run the service gratis if you go to certain sponsored events, but
they do them some three hours drive from here, and they warn that they
will do only a limited number, so no warranty of getting it done.

My idea is to go there once and see how they do it.


this isn't about going to a shop to have it done and they have
different tools than you would anyway.

or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


or maybe he doesn't care.


You do not know that.


it's quite clear he doesn't care, else he wouldn't have posted a photo
full of dust spots which looks like utter ****.

he simply does not care.

nospam February 4th 19 02:45 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't). Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.


If he does not know how to go about cleaning the sensor on a DSLR, or MILC,
he, and anybody who owns one should invest in the basic tools, correct size
swabs, PEC pad, a Giottos Rocket, a bottle of Eclipse Fluid, and a
magnifier with some sort of illuminator.


I don't have any of that, nor my friends. I don't even know what they are.


just because you don't know how doesn't mean others don't. as i said,
it's never too late to learn.




What camera do you shoot?

If you have photos that are important to you, but have "errors", do
whatever you can to fix those errors in post. That is why editing tools
exist.


You can not correct focus on post.


false.

photoshop and several other tools, such as focus magic can help fix out
of focus images:
http://focusmagic.com

iphone cameras capture a depth map and can adjust the focus and/or
depth of field *after* the photo has been taken.

Carlos E.R. February 4th 19 03:08 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 04/02/2019 15.45, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...bum-7215770586
8008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer
should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand,
there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).

it's never too late to learn. read the instructions


No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.


what cleaning kit did you buy that did not include instructions??


I bought a camera.


or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.

or maybe he doesn't care.


You do not know that.


it's quite clear he doesn't care, else he wouldn't have posted a photo
full of dust spots which looks like utter ****.


Not to me.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. February 4th 19 03:16 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 04/02/2019 15.25, Savageduck wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/02/2019 16.33, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...7705868008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand, there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).

it's never too late to learn. read the instructions


No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.

So they can over-charge you for what you can do at home.

Buy the cleaning tools, learn what to do, and save yourself a whole load of
cash.

http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com
https://photosol.com
https://www.micro-tools.com/collections/d-slr-kits-aps-c-sensors


I'll have a look.


They run the service gratis if you go to certain sponsored events, but
they do them some three hours drive from here, and they warn that they
will do only a limited number, so no warranty of getting it done.

My idea is to go there once and see how they do it.

They start by fondling your wallet.


No, it is a free session to teach people, maybe selling cleaning kits.
None has been programmed till April yet.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Savageduck[_3_] February 4th 19 03:30 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 04/02/2019 15.45, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...bum-7215770586
8008995/

The blobs at the top left are the most visible ones, but
there actually are dust blobs across the entire frame.
And apparently the photographer wasan't even aware of
the dust, as the blobs are on all or almost all images.

Yup!
The dust is very conspicuous, and is going to need some major fixing in
post. That sensor is in dire need of cleaning, and the photographer
should
have taken an emergency cleaning kit with him on that trip. When you know
that you are going to be in an environment with wind, dust, and sand,
there
is no excuse for not being prepared. At a minimum a lot of care should be
taken with lens changes.

That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).

it's never too late to learn. read the instructions

No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.


what cleaning kit did you buy that did not include instructions??


I bought a camera.


or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.

or maybe he doesn't care.

You do not know that.


it's quite clear he doesn't care, else he wouldn't have posted a photo
full of dust spots which looks like utter ****.


Not to me.


Now there’s your problem. ;-)


--

Regards,
Savageduck

nospam February 4th 19 06:15 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


That assumes he knows how to use that kit (I don't).

it's never too late to learn. read the instructions

No such instructions on mine. They say to bring the camera to the
service shop.


what cleaning kit did you buy that did not include instructions??


I bought a camera.


excellent, except that the topic is cleaning kits.

did you buy anything else?

or do a search on
how. there are plenty of detailed explanations and even videos. it's
not difficult. even just one squeeze of a rocket blower would make a
dramatic improvement.

Maybe he takes the
camera to a shop to be cleaned by a professional back home that knows
how to do it, and he wouldn't dare try to do it himself, even less on a
trip.

or maybe he doesn't care.

You do not know that.


it's quite clear he doesn't care, else he wouldn't have posted a photo
full of dust spots which looks like utter ****.


Not to me.


seriously? that photo was overwhelmed with dust spots.

Alfred Molon[_4_] February 4th 19 07:28 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article xdSdnd6wvKHXv8rBnZ2dnUU7-
,
says...
However, there are some idiots who think they are extending the battery
charge by turning off sensor dust removal. That is a false economy.


First time I hear this. Could it be that they turn it
off to speed up the camera startup (in case the dust
removal happens when you switch on the camera)?
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

dale February 4th 19 07:36 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/3/2019 5:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

your link doesn't wrap ...


Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.


if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine it works


--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 4th 19 07:40 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:

On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

your link doesn't wrap ...

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.


if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...21577058680089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine it works


yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.

dale February 4th 19 07:56 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:

On 2/3/2019 6:45 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...2963838558/in/
album-72157705868008995/

your link doesn't wrap ...

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.

if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...21577058680089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine it works


yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.



quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post

--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 4th 19 07:58 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.

if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...m-721577058680
089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine it works


yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.



quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post


it definitely wraps, with embedded newlines and quote chars, and still
works perfectly.

if it doesn't for you, then your software is broken. replace it.

dale February 4th 19 08:37 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 2:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.

if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...m-721577058680
089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine it works

yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.



quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post


it definitely wraps, with embedded newlines and quote chars, and still
works perfectly.

if it doesn't for you, then your software is broken. replace it.


is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors

does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/


I am using Thunderbird and changed composition from starting a new
paragraph after pressing ENTER to staying in Body Text

here is a link to a "fix" that doesn't have "bug" status yet, I guess

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1239684#answer-1170681


--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

dale February 4th 19 08:50 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 3:37 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/4/2019 2:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.

if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...m-721577058680

089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine
it works

yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.


quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post


it definitely wraps, with embedded newlines and quote chars, and still
works perfectly.

if it doesn't for you, then your software is broken. replace it.


is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors

does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/


I am using Thunderbird and changed composition from starting a new
paragraph after pressing ENTER to staying in Body Text

here is a link to a "fix" that doesn't have "bug" status yet, I guess

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1239684#answer-1170681



worked for me, let me try with three quotes


https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/



--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

dale February 4th 19 08:56 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 3:50 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/4/2019 3:37 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/4/2019 2:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:

Yes, my newstreader is a bit old-fashioned.

if you used url delimiters, it would still work.


like this ...

yourlink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...m-721577058680

089
95/

it works to mine, then again if I post the link itself "from" mine
it works

yep, and by doing so, it will work fine when wrapped, including with
embedded line breaks and quote characters.


quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post

it definitely wraps, with embedded newlines and quote chars, and still
works perfectly.

if it doesn't for you, then your software is broken. replace it.


is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors

does this work?

Â*https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/


I am using Thunderbird and changed composition from starting a new
paragraph after pressing ENTER to staying in Body Text

here is a link to a "fix" that doesn't have "bug" status yet, I guess

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1239684#answer-1170681



worked for me, let me try with three quotes


https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcodileo/32963838558/in/album-72157705868008995/




now it works, confusing configuration ...

they out of have "general configs to check first", like text, HTML,
plain HTML, etc. then enter into details in each, just sayin'

--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 4th 19 09:17 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:


quoted link link doesn't wrap in your post


it definitely wraps, with embedded newlines and quote chars, and still
works perfectly.

if it doesn't for you, then your software is broken. replace it.


is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors


that makes no difference whatsoever.

does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcod...bum-7215770586
8008995/


of course it works, without any issues. that's the whole point.

even this works:
https://c
n
n.c
o
m

I am using Thunderbird and changed composition from starting a new
paragraph after pressing ENTER to staying in Body Text


thunderbird is buggy as hell and the developers have no motivation to
fix anything.

dale February 4th 19 11:05 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 4:17 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:


is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors


that makes no difference whatsoever.



of course the input makes a difference to the output, and vice-versa

try editing a file in vi then opening it in notepad


--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 4th 19 11:09 PM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:

is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors


that makes no difference whatsoever.



of course the input makes a difference to the output, and vice-versa


it doesn't, certainly not in a delimited url with embedded whitespace.

try editing a file in vi then opening it in notepad


not the issue here, however, good text editors don't have problems with
different line endings. only the ****ty ones barf. don't use them.

dale February 5th 19 12:27 AM

Bad sensor dust
 
On 2/4/2019 6:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , dale
wrote:

is the OP using a LF, CR, and/or EOL ... if I recall correctly, plain
text editing can be different in different editors

that makes no difference whatsoever.



of course the input makes a difference to the output, and vice-versa


it doesn't, certainly not in a delimited url with embedded whitespace.

try editing a file in vi then opening it in notepad


not the issue here, however, good text editors don't have problems with
different line endings. only the ****ty ones barf. don't use them.


what do my delimited links look like?

--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

nospam February 5th 19 12:43 AM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article , dale
wrote:


what do my delimited links look like?


read your posts and find out for yourself.

nospam February 5th 19 01:32 AM

Bad sensor dust
 
In article ,
RichA wrote:

Just one more reason to love Olympus. Those problems are alien.


no camera is immune.


Not 100%, but there's a difference between having the clean a sensor once a
week and once a year with the same usage.


there's no need to clean a sensor once a week unless someone is using
it in extreme conditions.


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